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		<title>Comment on Is there a case to be made against CSR? by michael5000</title>
		<link>http://shinygreenbutton.com/?p=1119&#038;cpage=1#comment-969</link>
		<dc:creator>michael5000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 05:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The movement towards better corporate governance is a reaction against individual managers enriching themselves at the expense of shareholders.  It&#039;s pretty goofy to infer that running companies in a socially responsible fashion would excite the same kind of outrage that the grotesque excesses of individual executive compensation have.  

Besides which, even if every executive really was &quot;hired to maximize profits&quot; that doesn&#039;t necessarily imply the imperative for short-term rapine that the WSJ&#039;s language implies.  A company that literally takes every opportunity to maximize profit is in fact not long for this world; having cut corners, paid the minimum, and sold for the maximum, it faces the united antagonism of vendors, customers, regulators, and anybody else with the misfortune to encounter it.

Maximizing profitability in the real world, on the other hand, involves running a company with a view to the long game, sustainably.  Curating an institutional culture of transparency, ethical behavior, and fair dealing ain&#039;t the worst way to go about it.  Small businesses have always understood the importance of a good relationship with the community; this is why they &quot;sacrifice profitability&quot; to sponsor little league teams and what-not.  It&#039;s about time the MBA types figured it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movement towards better corporate governance is a reaction against individual managers enriching themselves at the expense of shareholders.  It&#8217;s pretty goofy to infer that running companies in a socially responsible fashion would excite the same kind of outrage that the grotesque excesses of individual executive compensation have.  </p>
<p>Besides which, even if every executive really was &#8220;hired to maximize profits&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t necessarily imply the imperative for short-term rapine that the WSJ&#8217;s language implies.  A company that literally takes every opportunity to maximize profit is in fact not long for this world; having cut corners, paid the minimum, and sold for the maximum, it faces the united antagonism of vendors, customers, regulators, and anybody else with the misfortune to encounter it.</p>
<p>Maximizing profitability in the real world, on the other hand, involves running a company with a view to the long game, sustainably.  Curating an institutional culture of transparency, ethical behavior, and fair dealing ain&#8217;t the worst way to go about it.  Small businesses have always understood the importance of a good relationship with the community; this is why they &#8220;sacrifice profitability&#8221; to sponsor little league teams and what-not.  It&#8217;s about time the MBA types figured it out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is there a case to be made against CSR? by Christian Hicks</title>
		<link>http://shinygreenbutton.com/?p=1119&#038;cpage=1#comment-965</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article also ignores the fact that companies create and shape marketplaces all the time through advertising, standards and industry partnerships. So it&#039;s a bit disingenuous to suggest that they&#039;re at the mercy of the marketplace and should only pursue CSR issues when it aligns with their business goals. In fact, companies have tremendous ability and wherewithal to make CSR issues more relevant and important to their customers, which in turn makes them more relevant and important to their own success. 

To use an example cited in the article--McDonalds introducing healthier menu options isn&#039;t merely a response to a shift in what customers want to eat. McDonalds is an active agent in creating demand for healthier food. It&#039;s a positive feedback loop. The more McDonalds pushes healthy items and educates its customers, the more its business benefits. Not to say that McDonalds can unilaterally change public perception and behavior, but they certainly can play a meaningful part. 

The article also suggests the best way to get companies to act responsibly is to mandate it. But short of outlawing fast food as well know it, how would the government force McDonalds to sell or promote healthier food?  I think this argument is a red herring proposed by someone who knows full well that the likelihood of getting more regulations (let alone effective regulations) on the books is nearly zero. Look at the ferocious fight pro-business factions put up over reining in the historic abuses of Wall Street. Or the new consumer protection regulations. What would the reaction be if government proposed regulations addressing lesser issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article also ignores the fact that companies create and shape marketplaces all the time through advertising, standards and industry partnerships. So it&#8217;s a bit disingenuous to suggest that they&#8217;re at the mercy of the marketplace and should only pursue CSR issues when it aligns with their business goals. In fact, companies have tremendous ability and wherewithal to make CSR issues more relevant and important to their customers, which in turn makes them more relevant and important to their own success. </p>
<p>To use an example cited in the article&#8211;McDonalds introducing healthier menu options isn&#8217;t merely a response to a shift in what customers want to eat. McDonalds is an active agent in creating demand for healthier food. It&#8217;s a positive feedback loop. The more McDonalds pushes healthy items and educates its customers, the more its business benefits. Not to say that McDonalds can unilaterally change public perception and behavior, but they certainly can play a meaningful part. </p>
<p>The article also suggests the best way to get companies to act responsibly is to mandate it. But short of outlawing fast food as well know it, how would the government force McDonalds to sell or promote healthier food?  I think this argument is a red herring proposed by someone who knows full well that the likelihood of getting more regulations (let alone effective regulations) on the books is nearly zero. Look at the ferocious fight pro-business factions put up over reining in the historic abuses of Wall Street. Or the new consumer protection regulations. What would the reaction be if government proposed regulations addressing lesser issues?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Provoking change about climate change by Alexis Martin</title>
		<link>http://shinygreenbutton.com/?p=139&#038;cpage=1#comment-951</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is very evident that climate change is already taking effect in this decade~&quot;~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is very evident that climate change is already taking effect in this decade~&#8221;~</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can we just be green already? by Sona Pai</title>
		<link>http://shinygreenbutton.com/?p=1082&#038;cpage=1#comment-944</link>
		<dc:creator>Sona Pai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pamela: Makower noted that attempt at changing the conversation from green to blue, described as &quot;a &#039;post-green, consumer-led movement that aggregates the power of both marketers and consumers as catalysts for social change.&#039; But, the term didn&#039;t stick. Seems like we&#039;re actually in a kind of middle zone when it comes to communicating sustainability: It is still an emerging area, so the language hasn&#039;t been completely hammered out yet. But, it&#039;s been around long enough that some terms have become entrenched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela: Makower noted that attempt at changing the conversation from green to blue, described as &#8220;a &#8216;post-green, consumer-led movement that aggregates the power of both marketers and consumers as catalysts for social change.&#8217; But, the term didn&#8217;t stick. Seems like we&#8217;re actually in a kind of middle zone when it comes to communicating sustainability: It is still an emerging area, so the language hasn&#8217;t been completely hammered out yet. But, it&#8217;s been around long enough that some terms have become entrenched.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can we just be green already? by Sona Pai</title>
		<link>http://shinygreenbutton.com/?p=1082&#038;cpage=1#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>Sona Pai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian: Thanks for your comment! You&#039;re not the only one with that concern. I&#039;m interested by Makower&#039;s suggestion that we try to broaden the definition of green in the business world. How would we do that? And, is it even possible, given the strong environmental associations with the word? Or, as Makower points out, does the fact that the definition is already broadening in the political arena mean it&#039;s a natural next step for business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian: Thanks for your comment! You&#8217;re not the only one with that concern. I&#8217;m interested by Makower&#8217;s suggestion that we try to broaden the definition of green in the business world. How would we do that? And, is it even possible, given the strong environmental associations with the word? Or, as Makower points out, does the fact that the definition is already broadening in the political arena mean it&#8217;s a natural next step for business?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can we just be green already? by Pamela Fiehn</title>
		<link>http://shinygreenbutton.com/?p=1082&#038;cpage=1#comment-934</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamela Fiehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For awhile there was a movement afoot to get people to start talking about &quot;blue&quot; not &quot;green.&quot; (I guess calling up the idea of a blue planet--the way Earth looks from space.) The idea of blue didn&#039;t move to incorporate the social aspect of sustainability though. It was meant to make a connection for a business audience between environmental responsibility and business opportunity. 

I wonder if the pain comes more from that fact that sustainability is still an new concept for many business and individuals. The language is emerging and changing just as fast as ideas about how to be sustainable. Maybe once we&#039;ve figured out how to live on this planet without compromising the needs of others and future generations, we&#039;ll figure out how to talk about it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For awhile there was a movement afoot to get people to start talking about &#8220;blue&#8221; not &#8220;green.&#8221; (I guess calling up the idea of a blue planet&#8211;the way Earth looks from space.) The idea of blue didn&#8217;t move to incorporate the social aspect of sustainability though. It was meant to make a connection for a business audience between environmental responsibility and business opportunity. </p>
<p>I wonder if the pain comes more from that fact that sustainability is still an new concept for many business and individuals. The language is emerging and changing just as fast as ideas about how to be sustainable. Maybe once we&#8217;ve figured out how to live on this planet without compromising the needs of others and future generations, we&#8217;ll figure out how to talk about it too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can we just be green already? by Brian Wasson</title>
		<link>http://shinygreenbutton.com/?p=1082&#038;cpage=1#comment-933</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Wasson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that sustainability, as most involved businesses define it, is a lot bigger than &quot;green&quot; if you take the social, economic and environmental approach (triple bottom line). Green is but one part of the triad. Just talking about &quot;green&quot; risks the possibility that the other two aspects get trivialized. Or, worse, that sustainability is just seen as a tree-hugging activity that does not tie into the business. 

In the real world of business, activities/concepts that aren&#039;t integral to the business are likely to fail. 

So, to me, green is out except for talking about environmental aspects. CSR is a better alternate term if you really need one.

I will say, though, that typing &quot;sustainability&quot; all the time gets old. Those i-l-t&#039;s at the end always get mixed up when I type too quickly. I write it so much that I set up Autocorrect in MS Word to automatically complete it when I type &quot;sust&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that sustainability, as most involved businesses define it, is a lot bigger than &#8220;green&#8221; if you take the social, economic and environmental approach (triple bottom line). Green is but one part of the triad. Just talking about &#8220;green&#8221; risks the possibility that the other two aspects get trivialized. Or, worse, that sustainability is just seen as a tree-hugging activity that does not tie into the business. </p>
<p>In the real world of business, activities/concepts that aren&#8217;t integral to the business are likely to fail. </p>
<p>So, to me, green is out except for talking about environmental aspects. CSR is a better alternate term if you really need one.</p>
<p>I will say, though, that typing &#8220;sustainability&#8221; all the time gets old. Those i-l-t&#8217;s at the end always get mixed up when I type too quickly. I write it so much that I set up Autocorrect in MS Word to automatically complete it when I type &#8220;sust&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why sustainability lacks meaning (and what to do about it) by Shiny Green Button &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can we just be green already?</title>
		<link>http://shinygreenbutton.com/?p=617&#038;cpage=1#comment-931</link>
		<dc:creator>Shiny Green Button &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can we just be green already?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] people who practice it (are they sustainers? sustainabilitists?) Joel Makower addresses something we’ve discussed before here on Shiny Green Button: You can only use the word sustainability so many times before it starts [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] people who practice it (are they sustainers? sustainabilitists?) Joel Makower addresses something we’ve discussed before here on Shiny Green Button: You can only use the word sustainability so many times before it starts [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Being purple at Going Green by Sophie Sanders</title>
		<link>http://shinygreenbutton.com/?p=396&#038;cpage=1#comment-921</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophie Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 05:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>going green is always the best thing to do. it helps the environment a lot.`;*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>going green is always the best thing to do. it helps the environment a lot.`;*</p>
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		<title>Comment on 7% of Arizona = US energy supply. Do. It. Now. by Maria Howard</title>
		<link>http://shinygreenbutton.com/?p=130&#038;cpage=1#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Environmental news these days are not so good, oil spills, oil leakages, etc.&quot;&#039;-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Environmental news these days are not so good, oil spills, oil leakages, etc.&#8221;&#8216;-</p>
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